Dyne and Althena (Spoilers)

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:25 pm

Hmm. Creating that much water to flood the world sounds...Biblical.

What was the Dragonmaster doing while Althena was off crying away? Didn't he think to give her a hankie?

Post by **Alunissage** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:33 pm

It wasn't part of the legend, so it wasn't put in. Not everything needs to be accounted for.

ilovemyguitar · Post by **ilovemyguitar** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:01 am

Angelalex242 wrote:Hmm. Creating that much water to flood the world sounds...Biblical.

I'm actually thinking that there's something to that idea. From what I've heard, a lot of the characters in Lunar: Dragon Song have biblical names. And what is the game called in Japan? Lunar Genesis.

Perhaps the "Genesis" aspect of the game isn't so much alluding to the creation, but another story in the book of Genesis in the Christian Bible: Noah's Ark.

Post by **Alunissage** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:12 am

I'm fairly sure the names are to indicate that this is far in the past. Only the humans have them, incidentally, unless you want to count Gabryel. It still escapes me why they would call the game Genesis when there's clearly history before then, but *shrug*

Ardekh · Post by **Ardekh** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:08 am

Because they're not going to make a prequel to Genesis.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:14 pm

Which is a pity. Imagine a game starting on the Blue Star, and following Dragonmaster Louie's footsteps through Althena nuking Zophar, the travel to Lunar, and setting up the great cities of that time. And the beginnings of Althena's religion...

Ardekh · Post by **Ardekh** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:40 am

Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Just how does one become the first Dragonmaster? Nevertheless, it won't happen, and I'd rather have Lunar 3 or a Four Heroes game than a real Genesis.

Post by **Sonic#** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:31 am

Aye. The game concept would be difficult, because there's no real motivation for personal progression. Everything's happening on a grand scale, and there's no resolution in reaching the Blue Star, as a result of Althena having defeated Zophar (read: someone else fighting what would otherwise be the 'final boss'). Since the Silver Star was referred to as lifeless before, I doubt there'd be any natural enemies there.

There's not enough there for someone, even Dragonmaster Louie, to hold importance, unless the game were a non-traditional RPG in the sense that the hero didn't undergo some grand transformation and save the world. And what meaning would be there? The overlying meaning is that Althena rocks and can take care of us, which by itself isn't too fun. Maybe there could be this underlying tone of hope and new opportunity, but... now I'm speculating.

I couldn't see such a concept as being anything more than a side-story. I like it as it is, a mythical background with historical underpinnings.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:13 am

Oh, I dunno.

Imagine a full power Althena in the party. In sort of a Blue Spire Lucia sort of way......wait a minute. A full power Althena in the party WITH Blue Spire Lucia. Let's not forget Lucia's immortal and existed in this time era, before she hopped in her little green crystal of 'wait here and revive the planet.' So you get TWO goddesses in the party. At the same time. With your Dragonmaster. Okay, I like this idea. Two bluehaired divine hotties...err...did I type that out loud? :oops:

Oh. Or there ya go. You have Dragonmaster Louie and possibly Lucia running around fighting Zophar's minions off Althena as she powers up Althena's Light. Louie's job is supposed to be protecting her, so he might as well be shown doing it.

DevNall · Post by **DevNall** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:21 pm

Sonic# wrote:There's not enough there for someone, even Dragonmaster Louie, to hold importance, unless the game were a non-traditional RPG in the sense that the hero didn't undergo some grand transformation and save the world. And what meaning would be there? The overlying meaning is that Althena rocks and can take care of us, which by itself isn't too fun. Maybe there could be this underlying tone of hope and new opportunity, but... now I'm speculating.

SimLunar. I was always sort of felt I was playing god in those Sim games anyway.

Ardekh wrote:Because they're not going to make a prequel to Genesis.

...Probably not, anyway. Assuming the timeline is correct, there's a lot of potential history for them to explore if they wanted to make more games. Even though they may not planning it now, who knows what could happen in 5 or 8 years.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:23 pm

Or ActRaiser Lunar?

Remember that Game? The Original ActRaiser?

It was in part an action game, as god goes and smite bad guys, the other part was a divinely aided Simgame.

Post by **Alunissage** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:27 pm

Yawn. Lucia doesn't know anything about humans, so she wouldn't be playable. She also finds Lunar strange and new (even though it presumably mimics what the Blue Star was like pre-Zophar) so she may well haven't even existed before the death of the Blue Star. Also, people appealed to Althena to save them, so she was already at least revered, if not worshipped, so arrival on Lunar wouldn't be the beginning of religion.

I don't believe there's been an official statement that there will never be a story earlier than Genesis, unless I've missed something.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:26 pm

Being unaware of humans doesn't necessarily mean being unaware of other deities. If Althena's in the party, there's no reason Lucia couldn't be.

And if she never meets Louie out of Dragonmaster form...well, Dragonmasters are hardly your average humans.

Post by **GhaleonOne** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:29 pm

Regarding Lucia, that's kind of a plot hole IMO. She comes to Lunar and acts like she knows nothing of humanity, but she definately knows who Althena is and Lucia seems to know too much about the workings of Lunar to have never had contact with people up on the Blue Star before. It's hard to say. I'm thinking perhaps humanity was just so drastically different on Lunar at that point compared to humanity on the Blue Star. Her last memories of humanity on the Blue Star would have likely been humans with evil hearts, having brought forth Zophar. It even shows many humans transformed into demons based on their evil hearts. So that also may be why she struggled with humanity so much during the story of EB. Just a thought though. Again, it's impossible to say what exactly happened at that time, as there is no solid evidence regarding Lucia prior to EB other than just having been sleeping in a crystal.

ilovemyguitar · Post by **ilovemyguitar** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:32 pm

Well, think of how we, as humans, regard insects. We know what they look like, a bit about how they act, etc. But if we were to actually be sent to live among insects, and interact with their world as one of them, it would be a totally mind-bending experience.

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:09 pm

I'm not sure if Althena and Lucia thought THAT little of humanity. Even back then. They evidently thought enough of humans to make Louie Dragonmaster.

ilovemyguitar · Post by **ilovemyguitar** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:22 pm

I don't mean it in that way, like Lucia saw people as tiny and insignificant before. I mean she simply hadn't experienced living as one, so she couldn't possibly understand what it was like.

Maybe I should say it's more like animals in the wild. Like wild boars or something. We see how they act, but we don't actually interact with them, so we don't know what it's like to live as one.

Post by **Sonic#** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:26 am

Angelalex242 wrote:I'm not sure if Althena and Lucia thought THAT little of humanity. Even back then. They evidently thought enough of humans to make Louie Dragonmaster.

That's because he was a dragonfly, and those suckers are big!

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:15 am

This is more about Ghaleon and Althena...

But it's amazing what you find when you read things carefully.

If you talk to Mia after the final battle, but before attempting to approach Dark Althena, she says something very like (I didn't exact quote it, but...)

Mia:I believe Ghaleon loved Althena...

Of course, that is just Mia, and Ghaleon's mind is hard to guess at...but at least it isn't mere player speculation...

Post by **Alunissage** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:43 am

G1 really was very thorough in that screenshot collection.

He loved Althena, I'm convinced of it...and he was jealous of the Dragonmaster.

However, her next line is "His heart was wounded, and his beliefs were shaken, when they chose to become human." The following line is that that must have been when he decided to become a god. Ghaleon's dying words are also about the goddess being in power again.

So I don't think the love she means is at all romantic. His heart was wounded when they chose to become human, and the rest is about his need for a god. I still think that his jealousy of the Dragonmaster (not Dyne) was of the closeness the dragonmaster had to Althena. Ghaleon had been a priest, and had surely felt something for the goddess he worshipped, but in that sense a dragonmaster would outrank him, as Althena's direct servant. (An interesting point to consider is who did she communicate with directly...just the dragonmaster? The priests and priestesses? Just the highest priest?)

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