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Chrono Cross - The Dead Sea

Postby Pisces » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:23 pm

Aha! Aha!



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Okay, so my boyfriend, the "other Eric", recently played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, and so I've been back at the insane analytical discussions again, and there was always something that was bothering me - The Dead Sea. I kept coming up with speculations, but I think we finally figured something out that explains the presence of both The Dead Sea and why the "ghost children" of Crono, Marle and Lucca are blaming Serge for the future being destroyed.

Well, he was researching a whole bunch of theories online and he and I started talking about one in particular, and something clicked in my head that finally made sense without running my brain in circles!

Okay...

Time splits at 1010 A.D. at the time of Serge's death. And why? Because of the final piece of Project Kid, where (in the future, after the ending of CC) Kid comes back to 1010 and saves Serge from drowning at Opassa Beach.

Now, why would this cause the Dead Sea to replace the Sea of Eden? It finally made sense to me--

It's because the moment of the time split and Serge's life or death is IN BETWEEN 1000 A.D. (when Crono et al start through the gates) and 1999 A.D. (The Day of Lavos).

In Chrono Trigger, 1999 is when Lavos is defeated by Crono and his friends. (I don't buy into the "You can beat Lavos in ANY era" thing - you can destroy the BLACK OMEN in any era, yes, but the Black Omen screws with time itself, and when Queen Zeal is defeated, I believe that you're actually drawn straight into the Day of Lavos. Please note I'm only talking about the NORMAL endings, not the special ones.)

Okay...here's the problem...because the time split exists between those two important moments in time, Crono and his friends were only able to stop the Day of Lavos on the ORIGINAL timeline - the one in Another World, the one where Serge died.

The Time Crash created an instability around the Chronopolis facility where a piece of the future was hurtled 10,000 years back in time.

But once Serges's rescue causes the timeline to split (major history changes, aka Kid going back in time to save him, cause alternate futures), then he continues living an on ALTERNATE future.

Because that moment is between the other two, Crono etc. could have only defeated Lavos in ONE of the two futures.

And so this creates a glitch around Chronopolis and the Time Crash - The future isn't saved anymore on Home World, so the presence of Chronopolis there creates a rather chaotic contradiction - thus the Dead Sea looks like a mishmash of present and future swarmed together frozen in a moment of destruction.
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Postby LuNaRtIc » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:27 pm

AWESOME! :o It all makes sense!!! Thanks for sharing that! Very interesting. I love reading all your Chrono Cross theories and plot explainations Pisces! It helps me understand the game more. xD lol I still have a hard time fully understanding CC, but I love it to pieces!
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Postby lucia24 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:58 pm

Finally i under stand,i have never been able to figure it out til now so thanks for cleaning it for me. :D
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Postby YoshiMars » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:57 pm

Yes! Excellent! You sir have helped my poor brain quite a bit. I do see the logic in this one and I must say I am most definitley inclined to belive this is a very plausable solution. Thank you!
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Postby Sonic# » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:51 pm

Oh dear, so the Home World is now the alternate world, and the alternate world is now the home world?

... of course it makes sense that way. And I'm glad this explanation doesn't make my head spin in circles either.

I do need some clearup though. ^_^ Why wouldn't Crono beat Lavos if Serge was alive? Does one event affect the future in such a way as to make Lavos improbably stronger, or... am I thinking about it too directly?
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Postby Pisces » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:22 pm

Sonic...

It actually has nothing to do with Serge affecting the future so that Crono CAN'T or DIDN'T beat Lavos...

It has to do with the fact that because that time split happens IN BETWEEN 1000 and 1999, it creates a situation where Crono etc. can only travel to ONE of the futures.

The reason being that a time split occurs when someone alters something crucial in time.

Kid altered time by traveling back to 1010 to save Serge.

And unfortunately, this happens BETWEEN Crono's starting point (1000) and his destination (1999). Therefore, because dimensions are separate, Crono is only able to travel to ONE TIMELINE to defeat Lavos. Serge's survival ends up on a separate Day of Lavos 1999 that Crono etc. did NOT travel to.

If Crono etc. had existed AFTER the point of Serge's death, say in 1050, then the Day of Lavos may have been avoided in BOTH timelines. Because Crono etc's timetravel would have still existed in BOTH dimensions, instead of BEFORE the dimensional split.

To sum up:

Because of Kid changing time to save Serge, there are now TWO separate Days of Lavos in TWO separate 1999s.

And Crono, because he existed BEFORE the time split, only travels to ONE of those two Days of Lavos.

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Postby Sonic# » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:57 pm

Yes, I understand it better now. I wasn't getting my head around that part. Thanks! ^_^
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Postby Faust » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:12 pm

Hot Damn!

Faust spent years ago scouring sites with elaborate time lines and was still confused.

But when you said there are 2 Days of Lavos, that made perfect sense...Faust gets it now... * slaps wide forehead...

Excellent game with excellent OST BTW. One of the few games to score a perfect 10 on game spot.

Still waiting for a new Chrono game....

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Postby Pisces » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:42 am

Yeah, I love the OST....


And now for my next step....

I'm going to try and figure out WHY the destruction of the Dead Sea causes the dimensional distortion to reappear (it stabilizes and vanishes after Serge and Lynx switch bodies).

I started reading an interesting theory that it has something to do with the Flame and Fate being destroyed when the Dead Sea is (or the POSSIBILITY of them, anyway, since the two futures clash), and that would cause an alteration in the "genetic code" of The Arbiter, since the Flame made Serge's genetic layout the pass to access it. It was something to do with Serge's mind now being in Lynx's body, but once the Flame is destroyed it someone realigns things so that Serge's mind is all that is required for him to become The Arbiter again and give him access to the distortion again.

I'm wondering if it has something more to do with affecting the events in the timelines that causes it to de-stabilize again.
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Postby Atticus » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:32 am

Vary nice read
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