Ha ha ha.. It's probably just G1 or Undine or Jenner or someone who's just playing around with me. I actually found the Sephiroth#### creation to be quite funny. I suppose this means I've overused that joke then. ;plocalflick wrote:Ruby, did Sephiroth954312872 join the MB with the sole intent to spite you?
Hmmm, I, along with everyone else that beat FF7 killed Sephiroth. So since he's dead there should be no more of his followers right?
Rage on Ruby! Fight the good fight! That bastard uses Supernova for goodness sake. Supernova!
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That's funny. The reason I'm in this MB instead of others like Eyes on FF or Fool's Gold is because there are real people like that who will only join to start flamewars, and/or mess with people for no reason. Hell I know half of the instigators in person. Also I love the Lunar series way more than the FF games.
As much as I like FF (yeah I said it). FF fans sometimes scare me. They actually had a thread on Eyes on FF that went for several pages debating the material Vincent's coffin was made out of. "Well, it looks like wood, but it sounds like metal..." "oh, no it's wood for sure. But what kind? I think it's oak..." AAAARGH!
As much as I like FF (yeah I said it). FF fans sometimes scare me. They actually had a thread on Eyes on FF that went for several pages debating the material Vincent's coffin was made out of. "Well, it looks like wood, but it sounds like metal..." "oh, no it's wood for sure. But what kind? I think it's oak..." AAAARGH!
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Okay, on topic!
The worst, I'd have to say, is Legend of Dragoon. I hated Hatchel much more than everybody else, though... Yeesh, too much training is bad. Bad!
BTW, I don't know if I've asked this already, but I wonder what happened to Ruby's comics? Or was it someone else I was thinking of...?
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Okay, on topic!
The worst, I'd have to say, is Legend of Dragoon. I hated Hatchel much more than everybody else, though... Yeesh, too much training is bad. Bad!
BTW, I don't know if I've asked this already, but I wonder what happened to Ruby's comics? Or was it someone else I was thinking of...?
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Death to Sephiroth!
Yeah, Vive la Ghaleon! Sephiroth is dead... and there are no FF sequals! (uh, except for X but that barely counts as a game at all so let's over look it) So Sephiroth willl be gone forever (except for that Advent Children thing) but Ghaleon just keeps coming back! It doesn't matter if he's brought back by Zophar, or some other force, you can't stop him.
...oh yeah Aeris was the only decent magic user you heartless bastard!
...oh yeah Aeris was the only decent magic user you heartless bastard!
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I, an equal hater of FF7, would never belittle myself in such a way just to pester you.Ruby wrote:Ha ha ha.. It's probably just G1 or Undine or Jenner or someone who's just playing around with me. I actually found the Sephiroth#### creation to be quite funny. I suppose this means I've overused that joke then. ;plocalflick wrote:Ruby, did Sephiroth954312872 join the MB with the sole intent to spite you?
Hmmm, I, along with everyone else that beat FF7 killed Sephiroth. So since he's dead there should be no more of his followers right?
Rage on Ruby! Fight the good fight! That bastard uses Supernova for goodness sake. Supernova!
I hate FF7 because it's degenerated the gaming industry and RPG industry as we know it. Up until FF7 the story of video games was told in stunning detail with deep, insightful plot. During and after FF7 you had to all but hunt for plot the story was told with scenes. Almost all the characters were stereotypes, the game ridicules and encourages these sterotypes. Homosexuals (Wanna find gays? Go to the gym!) Black people (Barret was so offensive,) and Cid ridiculed americans as a massive stereotype.
I found the game sickening, and now almost all Squares RPGs, and a great deal of other RPGs that try to copy Square have massive plot sandwiches and long cutscenes that take too long...
it was disgustingly intolerant and offensive, FF7 raped my genre.
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Hmmm. I'll have to play devil's advocate to your song.
You say that it's FF7 that ruined RPGs. I say that it's FF7 that popularized them. To you, they might be synonyms, but to me, they're a front door opened with both advantages and disadvantages.
True, before FF7, there were good RPGs. But there weren't that many. How many Genesis RPGs are there? And how many SNES RPGs are there? Considering the length of the console's life, not very many.
After FF7 was released, interest skyrocketed! Games we might've never seen started coming over. True, some were cliched, but at the same time, some of them remain my favorite today! It increased the bilge, but it also boosted interest in the good stuff.
Even I will admit to FF7 being a sort of front door for me. I'd played other RPGs before, but it's one of those ones that's easily accessible. It makes one lust for similar gameplay. And many players find out soon that there's better stuff out there.
You say that it's FF7 that ruined RPGs. I say that it's FF7 that popularized them. To you, they might be synonyms, but to me, they're a front door opened with both advantages and disadvantages.
True, before FF7, there were good RPGs. But there weren't that many. How many Genesis RPGs are there? And how many SNES RPGs are there? Considering the length of the console's life, not very many.
After FF7 was released, interest skyrocketed! Games we might've never seen started coming over. True, some were cliched, but at the same time, some of them remain my favorite today! It increased the bilge, but it also boosted interest in the good stuff.
Even I will admit to FF7 being a sort of front door for me. I'd played other RPGs before, but it's one of those ones that's easily accessible. It makes one lust for similar gameplay. And many players find out soon that there's better stuff out there.
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This reminds me of a discussion I just had recently.localflick wrote:It seems like RPGs used to be like a really cool underground music scene. Then FF7 comes along as the big sellout which makes it all mainstream. Then thousands of one hit wonders follow trying to emulate it. It ruins the scene.
Have you guys ever seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show? It's a movie musical (and was a stage play prior to that) about an ordinary young couple that inadvertently falls in with a bunch of screwball characters having a party in a castle in the middle of nowhere. It's a crazy-fun movie, and it has a huge cult following that enjoys dressing up in costumes like the over-the-top characters in the movie and going to midnight screenings of the show, with lots of silly audience participation and whatnot.
But the aspect of the movie that is frequently overlooked is that it is a very clear-cut allegory that depicts what happens when an underground movement is brought into the mainstream. The ordinary couple, Brad and Janet, represent typical middle-class America. The party-goers in the castle represent those that are part of the underground movement. The character of Dr. Frankenfurter (played by Tim Curry in the movie) is the character that reaches out to Brad and Janet and includes them in the party. Eventually, Brad and Janet embrace the style of the party, but reject Frankenfurter himself. At the end of the movie the other people in the castle reject Frankenfurter as well; they kill Frankenfurter, and kick Brad and Janet out of the castle.
The most obvious parrallel to real life that this movie depicts is the sexual liberation movement of the late 50's and 60's, but it also applies to any other underground idea that is brought into the mainstream. The individual or group that actually is responsible for bringing it to the mainstream will eventually be rejected by both the mainstream, and those who were part of the underground movement before.
(For an obvious example of this phenomenon, look at the popularity of rap music. Who were the first artists to have a rap album that qualified as a bona fide chart-topping album? MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.)
Really? I don't think so...
Well, I'm not sure I agree with this. We had...Sonic# wrote: True, before FF7, there were good RPGs. But there weren't that many. How many Genesis RPGs are there? And how many SNES RPGs are there? Considering the length of the console's life, not very many.
The Phantasy Star series
The Lunar series 8)
Beyond Oasis
And for the Super Nintendo...
The Final Fantasy series
Chrono Trigger
Legend of Mana
The Zelda series (ok, I'm not sure it counts, but...)
The Mario RPG
And some others I don't remember.
The PlayStation, in other hand, had what?
Other than the Lunar series and FF, it had Xenogears, and, as far as I remember, that was it. I'm not sure FF VII was anything bigger than FF VI, for example. I would link the RPG boon (if it really existed) to a new system, the PlayStation, rather than to that specific game.
(But hey, that was the time I stopped following video-games, not to mention my memory isn't exactly nice these days. I may be forgetting a lot of games.)
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