my mission

[phyco126]

If I wanted to do something that is illegal, I wouldn't post here asking for help.

[exigence]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9722006-7.html

This is a story of a man in Michigan who stole Wifi from a coffee shop and didn't know it was illegal. He only got a $400 fine and 40 hours Comm. Service. The law states that it is a felony punishable by 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

What your doing is far more intentional then what happened to that man and do you honestly feel it's worth that kind of risk?

I feel like I'm wasting my time posting this. You know better and obviously arn't intrested in enlightenment.

That guy made a lot of dumb moves. first off he did this around the same time every day would it have hurt him to by a cup of joe one in a while or change up the routine, then he admitted to it then he admitted to it, he admitted to it. what a friggin idot when a cop walks up to you and asks you what your doing the truth usually lands you a ticket or in jail.

secured wifi i can see it as being illegal. i can see it not believe it but i can at least see the point your making. i stil think if the signals in my house i have some right to it. but an unsecured network cmon its obvious that they don't care enough to secure it so they must not care if someone uses it.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

secured wifi i can see it as being illegal. i can see it not believe it but i can at least see the point your making. i stil think if the signals in my house i have some right to it. but an unsecured network cmon its obvious that they don't care enough to secure it so they must not care if someone uses it.

So wait, you yourself admit that you can see cracking secured wifi as illegal, yet you still want help to do that to your neighbor?

[exigence]

secured wifi i can see it as being illegal. i can see it not believe it but i can at least see the point your making. i stil think if the signals in my house i have some right to it. but an unsecured network cmon its obvious that they don't care enough to secure it so they must not care if someone uses it.

So wait, you yourself admit that you can see cracking secured wifi as illegal, yet you still want help to do that to your neighbor?

yep. pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

[Werefrog]

Radio signals go through my house. Is it my right to jam their signals?

[exigence]

If you want. but Would it do any good to jam them i don't know anything about radio signals though. im not sure if this is related but when iim on my cell phone it interferes with my guitar amp and computer speakers can anyone explain that.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

secured wifi i can see it as being illegal. i can see it not believe it but i can at least see the point your making. i stil think if the signals in my house i have some right to it. but an unsecured network cmon its obvious that they don't care enough to secure it so they must not care if someone uses it.

So wait, you yourself admit that you can see cracking secured wifi as illegal, yet you still want help to do that to your neighbor?

yep. pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

Sheesh. I just lost what little respect I may have had for you. Why the hell do you want to knowingly do something illegal when you also admitted that it serves no useful benefit to you either?

[phyco126]

You call the guy an idiot for doing something that he didn't know was illegal but admitting to it.

Yet you KNOW it is illegal, and you flat out told us you WANT to do it, and asked for help to begin with. Wow.

Also, cell signals cause inteference with speakers, they always have.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Also, cell signals cause inteference with speakers, they always have.

Actually, I believe it depends on the type of cell signal. GSM cell phones (used pretty much everywhere overseas, but only used by AT&T and T-Mobile in the U.S.) do cause speaker interference. CDMA (used by nearly everyone else in the U.S.) do not.

I haven't tried this yet, but I heard putting your cell phone in an anti-static bag will still allow it to receive phone calls but prevent it from causing speaker interference. There are also little ferrite cores you can get at Radio Shack to put on your speaker cables that can also help block interference.

[Maru]

Actually, I believe it depends on the type of cell signal. GSM cell phones (used pretty much everywhere overseas, but only used by AT&T and T-Mobile in the U.S.) do cause speaker interference.

So that would explain why my TV or clock radio go "JHSDKSADBJAHDSAHDJASAAAAAHHH" right before someone calls or texts me... HHhhmmm... I knew there was some sort of interference with the wave signals, but I didn't know that was indicative of AT&T.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Actually, I believe it depends on the type of cell signal. GSM cell phones (used pretty much everywhere overseas, but only used by AT&T and T-Mobile in the U.S.) do cause speaker interference.

So that would explain why my TV or clock radio go "JHSDKSADBJAHDSAHDJASAAAAAHHH" right before someone calls or texts me... HHhhmmm... I knew there was some sort of interference with the wave signals, but I didn't know that was indicative of AT&T.

Yep, that would explain it alright.

[exigence]

[Sheesh. I just lost what little respect I may have had for you. Why the hell do you want to knowingly do something illegal when you also admitted that it serves no useful benefit to you either?]

Sure It wouldn't serve any benefit at home. but lets say i'm somewhere with out internet, a friends house, or relatives and need the internet for something. If you knew how you to wouldn't you take advantage of it. I would still use some common courtesy like not doing heavy downloading or real intensive stuff. just surfing the web won't hurt them the difference in signal strength dose a good job ensuring that.

I guess none of you've jaywalked, sure these laws are made with a purpose in mind but law makers don't know crap their only interest is in their own careers, in the city my college is in its illegal to put a slot machine in an outhouse.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

Sure It wouldn't serve any benefit at home. but lets say i'm somewhere with out internet, a friends house, or relatives and need the internet for something. If you knew how you to wouldn't you take advantage of it. I would still use some common courtesy like not doing heavy downloading or real intensive stuff. just surfing the web won't hurt them the difference in signal strength dose a good job ensuring that.

Well, if it was a publicly open WiFi, I could see that and I would be okay with that. Cracking a private, WEP or WPA protected WiFi is a different beast. In the first case, it's possible that the person may have left his WiFi open on purpose because he/she wants to share it. However, if they actually put a password of some sort on it, then it's fully private.

While I would take advantage of an open WiFi point if I had no other internet options, I would never try to crack a password-protected one.

Admittedly, I'm no saint, but it's not just the laws, it's the ethics of the situation. Even if it's not illegal, cracking a password protected WiFi access point is unethical.

[phyco126]

You know, I wanna do what my networking professor does. He set up a router and left his WiFi open for anyone to use it. However, he did so in such a way that it tracks everything that person does on his WiFi, and captures data that he could easily use against them. He refrains from doing anything, but he does use it to proove a point: Open WiFi isn't always because the person is so stupid, rather they are frighteningly smart and want your personal info.

[Dragonmaster Lou]

You know, I wanna do what my networking professor does. He set up a router and left his WiFi open for anyone to use it. However, he did so in such a way that it tracks everything that person does on his WiFi, and captures data that he could easily use against them. He refrains from doing anything, but he does use it to proove a point: Open WiFi isn't always because the person is so stupid, rather they are frighteningly smart and want your personal info.

Definitely true. I have heard stories about people setting up shop in airports and other locations where you normally have to pay for WiFi. They pay for a daily pass on the airport's WiFi, then set up their laptops as a "free" hot spot via Internet Connection Sharing or something similar. Only then they sniff every last packet of traffic sent through their computer to the pay WiFi for juicy tidbits.

There definitely are three reasons why someone would have an open WiFi:
1) They are stupid and don't know how to secure it (or that it even should be secured)
2) They are smart, but believe in giving free access to WiFi out of the goodness of their own hearts
3) They are smart and evil (or pretending to be evil, as in the case of your professor) and plan to swipe personal info from you using their "open" WiFi

[Ozone]

Yeah, just say no to crack.... both kinds.

Only ramus steals dragon diamonds. You don't want to be Ramus, would you?

As a stupid side note in a stupid thread, did you purposely make your sign up time to be 11:11?

[exigence]

ahh 11:11 i remember in high school we would watch the clock every day for 11:11 something about the symmetry of it, its the only time all four numbers are the same.

[Sonic#]

ahh 11:11 i remember in high school we would watch the clock every day for 11:11 something about the symmetry of it, its the only time all four numbers are the same.

22:22 in military time is the same thing. But yes... 11:11 is far more common and more sleek. I agree with you there. ^_^

Sure It wouldn't serve any benefit at home. but lets say i'm somewhere with out internet, a friends house, or relatives and need the internet for something. If you knew how you to wouldn't you take advantage of it. I would still use some common courtesy like not doing heavy downloading or real intensive stuff. just surfing the web won't hurt them the difference in signal strength dose a good job ensuring that.

I guess none of you've jaywalked, sure these laws are made with a purpose in mind but law makers don't know crap their only interest is in their own careers, in the city my college is in its illegal to put a slot machine in an outhouse.

That's my situation right now. In order to get an internet connection that isn't encrypted and that doesn't make me feel uncomfortable to use it, I have to walk a quarter-mile to a shop. (This will change later this week.) I always feel obligated to buy something to eat or drink while I'm there, though they leave the network open even if I don't buy anything.

It's more the cracking of encryption that's at issue. There are encrypted connections I can see from my apartment, but I wouldn't crack them, because they're encrypted for a reason that is greater than my need. (Because I never really *need* the internet to live, pretty much any reason is greater than my need.)

I jaywalked to get here. But I did it when no cars were coming, when I would disrupt no traffic. If I were a judge presented with my case, I would rule myself guilty of disobeying the law. But I'm not interpreting the law. I"m interpreting what I consider right and wrong... and if you have the audacity to say that jaywalking is in any way similar to stealing, then ... that is wrong.

[exigence]

Im not trying to say that stealing and jaywalking are similar, i think what i'm trying to get at is that the government has to make ridiculous laws like the one that got Sam Peterson arrested in Michigan for taking wifi from the coffee shop, if someone doesn't want their internet stolen then don't send out such a strong signal, i don't live in an apartment complex there's a good distance between our houses. The problem is a lack of common sense and laziness people won't take the time to secure their internet properly or change the password once every now and then. why should the government waste my money dealing with crimes like this, if people refuse to make an effort to defend themselves. lets say i leave my car unlocked in a parking garage and my stuff got stolen it would be my own fault that it happened since i made no effort, or even if the car had a broken window that i taped over with clear plastic it doesn't matter i cant go around blaming others for my problems like a filthy hippy now can i.

[Werefrog]

You're going to vote for Ron Paul, aren't you?