Alunissage wrote:And once again you're missing the point. You cannot make a list of games that came out post-FF7 to support your claim that FF7 somehow has credit for them coming out and include installments of series that were established well before then. People didn't buy Zelda 5 because they liked FF7, they bought it because they liked the earlier installments of the series, as you yourself mention. (Same with DQ, which I've heard is bigger than FF in Japan.) Link's Awakening surely came out before 1997, and the Oracles games are more closely related to it than to the 3D ones. (I consider WW the weakest of the Zeldas, by the way.)
I never said those games were based off of FF7. My list is a list of games that came out
AFTER FF7, whether they are similar to FF7 or not. It is not relavent that alot of those games don't share much similarities to the FF series. My point, was to say the demise of the RPG genre didn't happen with FF7. That post was to justify my standing that the RPG genre is still very well alive. Go to page 3, where I reply to Shiva Indis' quote. Never did I say, FF7 is the godfather of rpgs. Never did I say FF7 should be credited with those titles coming out.
Windwaker being the weakest? Possibly, but I've never played a terrible Zelda.
Alunissage wrote:Furthermore, Zelda may be called an action-RPG, but its origins are hardly RPGlike in the sense of, say, FF1. And the debate on whether it should be called an RPG at all continues to this day. Adventure might be a better term.
You have your opinions, I have mine. Let's leave it at that. No need to overcomplicate this thread with the nuisances of what deems necessary for a game to be classified as an 'RPG'. Let's leave it to another thread.
Alunissage wrote:Alundra is, as you mention, a Zelda-type game, and as such owes little or nothing to FF7. And are you looking at Japanese releases or American? Obviously the Lunars were not released domestically until after FF7, which suggests you're using Japanese dates, but you omit Growlanser I (1999, and superior to II) and list DQ7 as DW.
Again, I never said Alundra wouldn't have existed if FF7 didn't happen. And yes, most of my releases are Japanese based. They are when the actual games were released. Since these games are developed by the Japanese development houses, I don't see a need to list the U.S. dates.
I might have possibly gotten DQ and DW mixed up. To clarify, Dragon Warrior 7 (PS) and Dragon Quest 8 (PS2) are definately good RPGs.
Alunissage wrote:And you pretty much undo your implied claim of authority in assessment of what stood out in the crowd by so clearly indicating that your personal taste has eliminated games which other people here have said they consider to be worthy of inclusion.
I specifically stated that those were the games I have played that were good, in the following posts. In essence, as a form of verification. How can I verify if a game is good if I haven't played it? Like I said, I haven't played every single RPG ever made, and I'm sure I missed quite a few good ones.
It seems I have gotten on everyones' bad side with my 'elitist views'. Well, don't take it that way. If you don't like those RPGs I mentioned. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I'm not out to evangelize people into playing them.