Right; what you did was describe hedonism. I then proceeded to inform you that Hedonists don't believe in sin. Whether or not you're a Hedonist is your business; I didn't say you were or you weren't.TaoTeCheese wrote:Whoa! Slow down with the jumping-to-conclusions. I never once said, or implied, hedonism, nor said I didn't believe in sin.
So if I fall in love with a married woman, by your objective standard our potential consentual fornication and adultery would be A-OK, and I have every right to not be criticized for such behavior. Indeed, anyone who would criticize me for fornication and adultery would be a hateful person who is against the Golden Rule!TaoTeCheese wrote:No, they don't. They fall in love with who they fall in love with, regardless of gender.
Get real. The homosexual argument is that they do not find members of the opposite sex attractive, so they must find someone of the same sex to fall in love with. Before you said that homosexuals would never choose to be homosexual with all the persecution they face; that argument obviously doesn't work with bisexuals, so you invent a new ridiculous excuse.
First of all, I had to "open that can of worms" because that is the main reason why so many Christians are speaking out against homosexuals in general, and regrettably, the rhetoric coming from the Christian side - my side - is often over the top and hateful. Of course the rhetoric from the other side is often just as hateful, but that's no excuse.TaoTeCheese wrote:POP! You just had to open that can of worms, didn't you. I am married. If two guys (or gals) get married, how on earth does that affect MY marriage?
Second, like most people who defend hedonism and secularism (and I'm not calling you a Hedonist secularist by the way! Just pointing out that you're a defender of such ideas, which is obvious to anyone reading this thread), you have no concept of "society". We are not a bunch of individual people in a society, but rather we are interdependent upon each other in countless ways. With homosexual marriage, we aren't talking about ambivalence and tolerance toward sinful acts; we're talking about the sanctification of sinful acts complete with a government seal of approval. Most Christians I know do not want the government to promote sin.
Honest secularists like Ozone seem to think that the government must never promote anything decent but most promote everything indecent, or else we're violating the "separation of church and state". That's just silly.
Non sequitur of the century!Benevolent_Ghaleon wrote:jwl, you asked me if it is christian to sit back as others live sinful lives when i mentioned leaving gays alone. i'm beginning to wonder if you've ever had an orgasm.
You heard of SOME Christians that disagree with oral sex, meaning you've heard of some that support it?! Well... yes, that's right. That's an important point, too. You take an obvious sin like oral sex and pretend it's not a sin. It's the same idea with homosexual acts.Benevolent_Ghaleon wrote:there is no sense in bugging them about their behavior. i've heard some christians disagree with oral sex. i can assure you that nobody will ever have a debate that'd result in it no longer being a part of my life.
If you're against slavery, shut up and don't own slaves.Ozone wrote:I've heard way too much about this in the past four years, if you're against gay marriage, shut up and don't get one